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Kris

What's wrong with this logic?

Paying rent, cooking, cleaning, doing laundry, cutting the grass, and changing a flat tire is not a flex. Most adults should be able to do these tasks. If that's all men/women have to bring to the table, that's pretty sad! One could say being able to fend off an attacker or robber trying to break into your house is a basic life skill, there’s no point in talking down things just because I can do it and you can’t.

asked on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 01:35:28 AM by Kris

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Mr. Wednesday
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It's kind of hard to tell what point this person is trying to make, especially given a lack of context. Given your recent posts, I'm assuming that this is something that was said to you when you were seeking relationship advice, but I could see how this could not be the case as well.

The most obvious issue I see is that "basic life skill" is a term that's used very similarly to "common sense." It's implied that it's self-evident that it's a thing that all or most people should know, but the definition is so nebulous that it allows people to shoehorn in whatever they want. On that initial list, nothing on it is terribly difficult to learn, but I wouldn't expect someone to know how to cut the grass if they never had a lawn, or change a flat tire if they never owned a car. In some cultures, including sections of American culture, cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry are considered to be a woman's job, so it's common for men to reach adulthood never needing to learn how to do these things. Which, in the context of relationships, leads to an important point. If a couple is living together, having a consensus on how domestic labor is going to be divided winds up being a fairly crucial part of the relationship. Knowing how to do these things is step one, but being willing to do your fair share on a consistent basis is an additional step that needs to be taken.

I would argue that fending off an attacker, while not a bad thing to know how to do, is not a basic life skill. Being attacked is highly unpredictable in when and how it will happen, and also a situation where you have to react instantaneously without stopping to think about it. There are no guarantees of success as there are some no-win situations, but standing a good chance requires extensive, specialized training, since most people rarely or never get a chance to test their capabilities in real life.

But, another crucial aspect of relationships in having a personality that meshes with your partner's. A person who's listing out their positive traits may overlook parts of their personalities that potential partners might find attractive. So, I think the list of skills here is being treated as an exhaustive list of positive traits, even though real relationship dynamics are more complex than this list captures.

answered on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 11:41:14 AM by Mr. Wednesday

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AI Fallacy Master writes:
[To Mr. Wednesday] The student's response provides a thorough analysis of the original post's logic by highlighting both logical fallacies and nuances regarding life skills and relationships. Here's a breakdown of the reasoning and logical aspects:

1. **Appeal to Common Sense**: The original post seems to commit the fallacy of appealing to common sense by labeling certain tasks as "basic life skills," implying that they should be universally known. The student effectively points out that this notion of "basic life skills," like "common sense," can be subjective and culturally dependent. The skillset might not be universal due to differing environmental and cultural contexts.

2. **Contextual Skill Learning**: The student wisely acknowledges that knowledge of certain tasks can depend on one's environment and upbringing. For example, if someone has never owned a car or lived in a house with a lawn, they might not know how to perform tasks related to those environments. This highlights a logical consideration that was overlooked in the original post’s assumptions.

3. **Relationship Dynamics**: The student makes a relevant point about the complexity of relationships, which cannot be reduced to just a checklist of skills or tasks. The quality and balance of contribution in domestic duties are noted as vital elements, beyond just knowing how to perform certain tasks.

4. **Violence and Personal Safety**: The original post equates defending against an attacker with basic life skills, which the student challenges as a problematic analogy. They argue that self-defense requires specific training and isn't a universally required skill. This highlights a logical inconsistency in the original claim, as not everyone will have the same access to or need for such skills.

5. **Human Complexity**: Finally, the student's response emphasizes that human relationships are complex and multifaceted. Skills and traits extend beyond simple lists, and important relational attributes might be neglected when focusing solely on practical skills.

Overall, the student’s response identifies important logical oversights and cultural biases in the original post’s assertion, providing a balanced and nuanced argument against simplifying life skills and relationship dynamics.
posted on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 11:41:25 AM
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Dr. Richard
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And the question is?

answered on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 04:47:58 AM by Dr. Richard

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[To Dr. Richard] The original post presents an argument but lacks a clear question. Let's examine the argument for logical issues:

1. **False Equivalence**: The post compares basic life skills (e.g., paying rent, cooking, cleaning) with the ability to fend off an attacker, suggesting they are of similar importance or basic nature. However, these are fundamentally different in terms of frequency, necessity, and skill set. Equating them might not be valid.

2. **Slippery Slope**: Implying that not considering these tasks as "flex-worthy" (i.e., impressive) automatically makes someone's life "pretty sad" is a leap. A person's value or the value of their life cannot be boiled down to whether or not these particular skills or actions are impressive.

3. **Appeal to Extremes**: Saying that "most adults should be able to do these tasks" ignores the diversity of circumstances and abilities among individuals. It assumes a universal standard that might not be applicable or fair across different contexts.

4. **Strawman Argument**: There's a hint of creating a strawman – suggesting people talk down things only because they themselves can do them and others cannot, without acknowledging that competence in different areas is not uniformly valued.

In summary, while the underlying point may be about evaluating which skills are essential or impressive, the logic contains several issues by conflating disparate skills, assuming universal standards, and possibly misrepresenting opposing viewpoints. The student's comment "And the question is?" further highlights a missing explicit inquiry in the statement, making it challenging to address directly.
posted on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 04:48:07 AM
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Dr. Richard writes:
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The AI makes too many assumptions.

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Kostas Oikonomou writes:

The question I guess is on the title 'What's wrong with this logic?'

posted on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 02:02:00 PM
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AI Fallacy Master
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The argument presented here contains a few logical issues and assumptions that merit examination:

1. **Equivocation**: The argument uses the term "basic life skill" ambiguously. At first, "basic life skills" refers to everyday tasks like paying rent, cooking, and changing a flat tire. However, the argument shifts to suggest that more specialized skills, such as fending off an attacker, should also be considered "basic life skills." This shift confuses the reader because it equates common tasks with more specialized, possibly less common skills without justifying why they are similarly "basic."

2. **False Equivalence**: The argument implies that because one set of skills can be learned and mastered by "most adults," another, arguably more niche or situation-specific skill, should also be easy and therefore not noteworthy. This is a false equivalence because the frequency with which individuals typically encounter the need for these skills differs significantly.

3. **Appeal to Common Practice**: The claim that "most adults should be able to do these tasks" suggests that because it is common or expected, it is not worth recognition or praise. This is an appeal to common practice, which assumes that if something is typical, it isn't noteworthy, ignoring the effort or circumstances of individuals who achieve these tasks despite obstacles.

4. **Implicit Value Judgement**: The statement "that's pretty sad" places an unsubstantiated value judgement on individuals who may not possess or excel in these "basic" skills. It fails to consider contextual factors such as varying life experiences, opportunities, and personal circumstances that might affect one's ability to perform these tasks.

5. **Strawman Fallacy**: The argument sets up a "strawman" by oversimplifying the motivations and capabilities of individuals who possess or lack these skills, suggesting that if these are their only skills, they are lacking in merit. This oversimplifies the complexity of individual achievements and contributions, ignoring other valuable skills or attributes those individuals might possess.

Overall, the argument weakens by failing to acknowledge the nuanced differences between basic, essential life skills and specialized skills, inadvertently creating misleading comparisons and value judgments.
answered on Saturday, Mar 01, 2025 01:35:44 AM by AI Fallacy Master

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