Is this a sound logical syllogism about evolution being intelligent?
Claim, evolution is intelligent.
P1: A network is a bunch of parts linked up to store and share information. This is how intelligence works. P2: intelligence emerges from networks. P3: Evolution is a network because it emerges out of a bunch of parts that are linked up that store and share information. P4: Evolution solves external problems via this process. Therefore, evolution is an intelligent process.
asked on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 11:57:00 AM by Jason Mathias
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If you are asking us if it is sound , then this is outside of the scope of this site and I would assume the expertise of the members here, myself included. So just note that as far as the soundness goes (truth of the premises) you will be getting opinions.
As for just the validity, I would say "no" due to the wording. Simply claiming "this is how intelligence works" in the premise cannot bring us to a "therefore... x is an intelligent process" in the conclusion. A good syllogism uses the same terminology in the premises and conclusion.
I suspect there is more wrong here, but I will leave it at that.
answered on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 12:15:05 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD
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Jason Mathias writes:
Would this be any better?
P1: A network is a bunch of parts linked up to store and share information. P2: intelligence emerges from networks. P3: Evolution is a network because it emerges out of a bunch of parts that are linked up that store and share information. P4: Evolution solves external problems via this process. Therefore, evolution is an intelligent process.
posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 12:50:22 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhDwrites: [To Jason Mathias ]
Not really. Outside of the logic, I am wondering what the point of this argument even is? Who cares if we call evolution an "intelligent process" or not? From a theistic/atheistic perspective, neither side should care. The real argument is whether or not intelligence comes from a god.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 12:54:49 PM
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Jason Mathias writes: [To Bo Bennett, PhD]
I dont know, maybe to find common ground between intelligent design advocates and evolutionists? So that evolution could be more accepted by intelligent design advocates? Even if evolution is not by a god but is intelligent? It would mean both sides were partially correct.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 12:57:23 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhDwrites: [To Jason Mathias ]
Remember that most ID proponents accept evolution—they just think a god started the process. The theists will have a difficult time accepting the premise that intelligence is an emergent property. In fact, if if they agreed with that, they would probably be an atheist.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:11:16 PM
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Jason Mathias writes: [To Bo Bennett, PhD]
Perhaps if evolution is an intelligent process, then they could believe god at least uses evolution to create. At least then they would accept evolution. Would be better than not accepting it as far as progress of science goes.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:17:25 PM
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Ed Fwrites: [To Jason Mathias ]
Insofar as this argument relates to the existence of God, two comments:
1) There may be an equivocation issue as to what is meant by "intelligent". Does it mean complex (as in an intelligent computer network) or does "intelligent" imply consciousness (as in a God-like force).
2) Secondly, this is reminiscent of the famous watchmaker argument by analogy for the existence of God. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy If you saw a watch on the beach and you examined it, it would be apparent that it must have had an intelligent creator. Similarly, "the complex structures of living things and the remarkable adaptations of plants and animals required an intelligent designer."
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 02:19:53 PM
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Jason Mathias writes:
[To Ed F]
Intelligence here means a complex interactive systemic network. It does not mean consciousness. Consciousness is just aware of intelligence. According to evolution the network came first and consciousness emerged from it. So the network intelligence is primary to consciousness.
I dont think its like the watch maker argument. This process can be an ai, computer systems, a coral reef, a forest, a organ, a society or anything with these attributes and it doesnt have to be conscious or an individual. This argument is simply saying complex systemic interactive networks have an emergent property which is intelligence. Intelligence is what emerges when a bunch of units link up to store and share information. And evolution is a complex systemic interactive network. Therefore, intelligence emerges out of this evolutionary process to create intelligent evolving adaptations that solve external problems. Like evolving a wing when flight is needed for example.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 02:39:15 PM
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Jason Mathias writes:
[To Bo Bennett, PhD]
Is this syllogism any better? Or is it the fallacy of composition?
P1: Intelligence emerges from the process of all large scale systemic interactive networks. P2: The evolutionary process is a large scale systemic interactive network. P3: intelligence emerges from evolution. C: Therefore, evolution in the totality of all its processes combined is intelligent.
[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Mar 15, 2022 12:02:40 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhDwrites: [To Jason Mathias ]
There is still a disconnect. You are have an unnecessary premise, and wording a bit unclear. Try this one:
P1: Intelligence emerges from large scale systemic interactive networks. P2: Evolution is a large scale systemic interactive network. C: Therefore, intelligence emerges from evolution.
Otherwise, you need to connect "an intelligent process" to "a large scale systemic interactive network."
Again, this really just a claim about the emergence of intelligence. If you want to make any progress with the theist, you need to add to the argument something they already accept and show how if they accept that they must accept the emergence of intelligence. I'll leave that to you.
[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Mar 15, 2022 12:13:57 PM
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Jason Mathias writes:
[To Bo Bennett, PhD]
Thanks Bo! How about this one?
P1: Intelligence emerges from the process of large scale systemic interactive networks. P2: The evolutionary process is a large scale systemic interactive network. P3: intelligence emerges from evolution. C: Therefore, evolution in the totality of all its networks and processes combined is intelligent.
Im having another problem too. When I run this concept by other atheists or evolutionary biologists they hate the idea because it integrates intelligence into evolution and they have been conditioned to hate that due to the culture war between intelligent design and biological evolution.
[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Mar 15, 2022 02:05:38 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhDwrites: [To Jason Mathias ]
Sure... perhaps you can get some feedback from other members too.
[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Mar 15, 2022 02:30:04 PM
P2 says Intelligence emerges from networks, but doesn't say it always emerges from networks. Therefore you can't conclude that because evolution is a network that evolution is intelligent ("network"" is the term that's undistributed).
P4 doesn't relate to the other premises. It seems to be saying that evolution is intelligent because it solves external problems, but then concluding that evolution is an intelligent process is begging the question
answered on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:15:39 PM by Ed F
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Jason Mathias writes:
Would this be any better? Or is it the fallacy of composition?
P1: A network is a bunch of parts linked up to store and share information. P2: intelligence always emerges from networks and works to solve problems. P3: Evolution is a network because it emerges out of a bunch of parts that are linked up that store and share information. P4: Evolution solves external problems via this process. Therefore, evolution is an intelligent process.
posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:19:51 PM
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Ed Fwrites: [To Jason Mathias ]
Yes, this would be valid. But questionable as to whether it's sound (using the definition that a "sound argument" is an argument that's valid and has all true premises).
Premises P1 and P4 as well as the second half of P2 are superfluous (but that doesn't change the validity). A simpler version would be:
P1 All networks are intelligent.
P2: Evolution is a network.
C: Therefore, evolution is intelligent.
That is a valid argument (but not necessarily sound).
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:35:14 PM
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Jason Mathias writes: [To Ed F]
Thank you, yes I like that syllogism much better. A lot more simple.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:49:23 PM
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Jason Mathias writes: [To Ed F]
Perhaps this one would have more true premises....
P1 All large scale systemic interacive networks are intelligent.
P2: Evolution is a large scale systemic interactive network.
C: Therefore, evolution is intelligent.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 02:07:20 PM
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account no longer existswrites:
It does not violate it, it commits it...
posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:19:53 PM
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Ed Fwrites: [To Zelensky]
Yes, thank you. It commits it.
[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Mar 14, 2022 01:26:12 PM
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