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Stephen A

Frame Flipping?

People strongly opposed to same sex unions often position themselves behind a far more ‘respectable’ facade than blunt homophobia, and say that same-sex marriage ‘threatens the family.’ And in Gary Chapman’s When Sorry Isn’t Enough, victims of sexual abuse in a family are advised to apologise to their abusers for the sake of ‘harmonious family relationships.’

The ‘gays threaten the family’ argument appears to be a smokescreen for ‘I hate fags.’ And, ‘family harmony is more important than the due process of law and protection of the vulnerable’ is camouflage that legitimises patriarchal positions of power that enable abuse. Countless victims have been told to ‘move on,’ ‘forgive’ and ‘get past’ abuse while the perpetrators neither show remorse nor are expected to - ‘for the sake of the family.’

I’m interested in whether there is a specific fallacy for this kind of ‘frame-flipping.’ This action enables perpetrators, namely in this case homophobes and authoritarian patriarchs, to present themselves as ‘victims’ righteously defending a sacred cow against whatever ‘malign’ forces they see as threats to it. In other words, pernicious attitudes disguised as noble victimhood.

I would really appreciate the thoughts of your community. Thanks.

 

asked on Monday, Jul 10, 2023 02:59:38 AM by Stephen A

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Petra Liverani writes:

I don't even know what "threatens the family" means.
In what way does it threaten and what does family mean?

Victims apologise to abuser? What for? That makes no sense to me.

posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2023 08:09:05 AM
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Mr. Wednesday writes:

[To Petra Liverani]

To be clear, this is not a belief I hold, but here is the thinking.

To them, the abuse itself isn't the issue. They find a way to justify it, victim blame, whatever. To them, the issue is that the victim speaking up can potentially cause division in the family, with some supporting the abuser and others supporting the victim. Additionally, it can ruin the abuser's reputation. The victim, in this case, can prevent that from happening by staying quiet. So, if a victim has already spoken up, someone with this mindset might think they owe someone an apology for causing the division or reputation loss.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2023 06:09:12 PM
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Stephen A writes:
[To Mr. Wednesday]

Thanks Mr W.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jul 10, 2023 11:19:03 PM
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Petra Liverani writes:

I think it would be beneficial to see exactly what is said in Gary Chapman’s When Sorry Isn’t Enough with regard to victim apologising. Can you quote?

posted on Tuesday, Jul 11, 2023 01:35:24 AM
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Stephen A writes:
[To Petra Liverani]

'Marcie' is the victim.

 Marcie recalls what she said: “I’ve come to apologize for allowing anger, bitterness, and resentment to keep me away from you for all these years. I know that I was wrong to have done that. I am deeply sorry that we have lost all these years. I don’t know if there is anything I can do to make that up to you, but I’m willing to try. I want the future to be different, and I’ve come to ask you if you will please forgive me.” 

Note how Marcie is cast as a 'wrongdoer' for 'allowing anger, bitterness and resentment' in keeping her away from the family. And the context clearly states the onus is on her to initiate contact with the estranged family.

I was talking to a clinical psychologist about this and she deals with many abuse victims. She says it's common for victims to be pressured to 'forgive' (for the sake of 'family' and 'because Jesus says so' etc) and this often provokes as she said, 'secondary trauma' for obvious reasons. 





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Bo Bennett, PhD
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This is common rhetoric. On the part of the "frame-flipper," there is no fallacy because this is "reasonable" way for them to accomplish their goal - it is a persuasion technique. On the part of the one being persuaded, they are typically falling for an appeal to emotion . "Everyone loves family, and gays threaten the family, therefore, gays are bad." One can also argue that this is simply factually wrong. The whole idea of framing is all about an emotional appeal; e.g., "pro life/anti-woman" vs. "pro choice/baby killer".

answered on Monday, Jul 10, 2023 07:39:50 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Stephen A writes:

Thanks Dr Bo

posted on Tuesday, Jul 11, 2023 01:34:45 AM