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MicroBeta

Is This Even A Logical Fallacy?

I’ve had many discussions with science deniers over the years.  One of their weirdest arguments is that gravity doesn’t exist.  

First, for the purposes of this discussion, let’s ignore the fact that gravity has always been an acceleration resulting in a force, and the obvious “if not gravity then what” question.  The latest incarnation goes like this:

- Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation quantifies the acceleration due to gravity which results in a force.

- In General Relativity, Einstein shows that gravity causes the curvature of space-time thus proving gravity “is not a force” discrediting Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

- Then discredit General Relativity.

- Conclusion, gravity doesn’t exist.

Summary:  Use General Relativity to discredit Newton.  Discredit GR with much hand-waving nonsense.  Claim gravity doesn’t exist.

Seriously, that’s the current argument.  The counter argument is fairly easy.  Of course, their typical response to the counter argument is “nuh uh”, because “reasons”.  

Aside from all of that, is this argument actually a logical fallacy?

asked on Thursday, Apr 14, 2022 12:12:44 PM by MicroBeta

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Ed F
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The argument seems to be—General Relativity shows that Gravity is not a force in the Newtonian sense.  Therefore, gravity doesn’t exist.  

this is a Non Sequitur; the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises.  It’s also a False Dilemma; it implies that there are only two possibilities—Gravity is either a Newtonian force or Gravity doesn’t exist. It excludes any other possibility 

answered on Thursday, Apr 14, 2022 02:43:45 PM by Ed F

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MicroBeta writes:

There is an extra step in that Einstein beats Newton, here is what is wrong with Einstein, therefore gravity doesn't exist.

Non Sequitur is what I originally thought but there is the aspect that they use evidence-a to refute evidence-b, the evidence-c to refute evidence-a, therefore conclusion.  I guess Non Sequitur still fits though.

posted on Thursday, Apr 14, 2022 05:24:34 PM
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This is fallacious as even from a purely conceptual standpoint, it makes no sense.

If A implies that B is false, if A is false, that doesn’t necessarily mean B is false as well.

If General Relativity is false, then it’s clause about Newtonian Gravity doesn’t mean anything as GR is false. They don’t affect each other unless one of them is true.

 

answered on Friday, Apr 15, 2022 08:03:28 PM by PeterJ

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Ed F writes:

Perhaps, argument by gibberish 

posted on Saturday, Apr 16, 2022 08:45:43 AM
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PeterJ writes:

I'd say it's probably Denying the Antecedent. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent). Then again, these are informal fallacies, in which case it would be the non-sequitur.

posted on Saturday, Apr 16, 2022 04:42:47 PM