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Linda

different examples vs. logical fallacy

My BF told me I shouldn't eat food that's questionably out of date because if I get sick, I can't go to work. I argued that I also mountain bike, which could also put me out of work and he supports that activity. So I will continue to balance the risks of my activity. He said I was committing a logical fallacy with my reasoning but I think it's 2 examples of the same thing. He was a philosophy major, I was biology... Thoughts?

asked on Saturday, Jun 15, 2024 01:13:50 AM by Linda

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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If "BF" is "boyfriend"... I think your boyfriend needs to learn that one shouldn't call out logically fallacies allegedly made by one's girlfriend, if one wants to still have a girlfriend. But that aside...

He likely was arguing a weak analogy but I would argue that it is a strong analogy, and no fallacy has been committed. The two examples are more alike then they are not alike:

risky activity for benefit > possible illness or injury > possible loss of work

The way you presented the argument here I would say there is no logical fallacy.

 

answered on Saturday, Jun 15, 2024 07:27:15 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Dr. Richard
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This is a risk/reward analysis, not a logical issue. 

answered on Saturday, Jun 15, 2024 10:01:57 AM by Dr. Richard

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AI Fallacy Master
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Your boyfriend is correct in pointing out that your reasoning contains a logical fallacy. Specifically, your argument involves a false analogy and a potential tu quoque fallacy.

### False Analogy:
- A false analogy occurs when an argument is made based on misleading, superficial, or implausible comparisons.
- Although both eating expired food and mountain biking carry risks, the nature and likelihood of those risks are significantly different. Eating questionably out-of-date food has a direct risk of causing foodborne illness, which can be relatively immediate and predictable. Mountain biking, while risky, has a broader range of variables that can be managed (e.g., wearing protective gear, choosing safer trails).

### Tu Quoque Fallacy:
- The tu quoque fallacy, or "you too" fallacy, occurs when someone attempts to counter an argument by pointing to an inconsistency in the opponent's own behavior.
- By pointing out your boyfriend’s support for mountain biking to argue against his concern about eating expired food, you're diverting attention from the original issue rather than addressing it directly.

### Cognitive Bias:
- **Confirmation Bias:** You might be selectively focusing on evidence that supports your desire to continue eating questionably out-of-date food, while disregarding the direct health risks involved.

### Poor Logic:
- Addressing your boyfriend’s concern about the direct risk associated with eating expired food by comparing it to another activity with different types of risks does not logically address his argument. One risk has a direct and avoidable health consequence (eating expired food), while the other is a managed and potentially less immediate risk (mountain biking with precautions).

### Improved Argument:
- A more logically sound approach would be to address the specific concerns about eating out-of-date food directly. For instance, discussing how you determine whether food is safe to eat despite the expiration date, or how often you actually get sick from eating such food, would be more appropriate counterpoints.

In conclusion, while you see the activities as comparable in terms of risk, the nature of those risks and the way they're managed differ significantly, making the comparison fallacious and a poor basis for your argument.
answered on Saturday, Jun 15, 2024 01:14:01 AM by AI Fallacy Master

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Kaiden
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Hi Linda!

 

Since I advise against eating questionably out of date food, but don't think mountain biking is unacceptable, your question challenges me to face my beliefs. 

I do think you are reasoning fallaciously. But that depends on what you mean by “out of date”. You might mean anything from not being fresh, to having gone bad. Given that your boyfriend was a philosophy major (is this a soft way of saying that he holds a degree in philosophy?), you should ask him what fallacy he believes you have committed. 

The key distinction I myself notice between the food and mountain biking is healthiness. Out of date food, if you mean something like “gone bad”, is unhealthy whereas mountain biking is not. While mountain biking is a healthy sport that might lead to an injury in the case of an accident, out of date food is unhealthy as is and may in its very state sicken or kill you. If you suspect food of being out of date, err in favor of your health and throw it out. Chowing down and passing it off as a culinary equivalent of mountain biking is a false analogy. Again, however, it is important to define what it means to be out of date.

 

Thank you, Linda!

From, Kaiden 

answered on Monday, Jun 17, 2024 08:12:08 AM by Kaiden

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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:

Regarding "healthiness," eating out of date food is only unhealthy if the food is rancid or otherwise compromised, otherwise, (depending on the food I guess) it is healthy. Likewise, Mountain biking is only good for your health if you avoid serious injuries, otherwise it is unhealthy.

Eating out of date food (I think we can reasonably assume here a date just outside of the posted expiration date, unless Linda has some kind of odd fetish for drinking chunky milk or eating maggot-covered fish) poses a risk similar to that of mountain biking. If your reason for the false equivalence has to do with the level of risk each activity poses, then I guess I can see the fallacy. We don't know how aggressively Linda mountain bikes, what kind of equipment she wears, etc., and in fairness, we don't know how out of date the food is that she eats. Perhaps this is personal judgement call, but given my background knowledge of both activities I see them as close enough to equal risk. Likewise, where something is this close, I use the "reasonable doubt" standard where I wouldn't call it fallacy.

posted on Monday, Jun 17, 2024 09:56:17 AM
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Kaiden writes:

[To Bo Bennett, PhD]

Thank you for your thoughtful criticism.

There are two contextual points I want us to bear in mind in order to understand what my reason is for the false equivalence, since you seemed to wonder halfway through your second paragraph. One is that although out of date falls on a spectrum of quality, a point I note in my Answer, hence my proviso throughout, Linda and her BF both assume that the food is of the age that it might make her sick. 

Second, the immediate purpose of Linda's comparison is to show that her BF is inconsistent for prohibiting her eating the food but supporting her going mountain biking. I allude to this point in my Answer's opening sentence.

Now, while there might be similarity in the risks between eating the food and mountain biking, with respect to putting Linda out of work, that similarity is not strong enough to conclude that it is inconsistent for the BF to prohibit the former and support the latter. This is because of an important difference relevant to why the BF may prohibit one and support the other: food of the age that it might make her sick is unhealthy, whereas mountain biking is not unhealthy. The false equivalence which aimed to find the BF inconsistent fails because of a health disparity, not a risk disparity. 

Regarding "healthiness," eating out of date food is only unhealthy if the food is rancid or otherwise compromised, otherwise, (depending on the food I guess) it is healthy."

Linda and her BF assume that the food’s age risks making her sick.

Likewise, Mountain biking is only good for your health if you avoid serious injuries, otherwise it is unhealthy."

Healthiness and unhealthiness of physical activities is not a matter of whether you got injured in the course of going at it. Something can be healthy even though accidents happen. 

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jun 17, 2024 07:26:53 PM