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Alex Hosking

Discrimination was right because the people I chose were competent.

If I were to say decide I want to deliberate a ginger hair owned car garage, and then justify this afterward by the fact that they either did a good job and/or were one of the ginger garages known to do a good job, therefore I was not unfairly discriminating against other garages because the people I chose were competent?

asked on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 04:32:19 PM by Alex Hosking

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Ed F writes:

 I don't understand the question.   It's not discriminatory, illegal or unethical to use a vendor because you like some personal characteristic they have.  You don't have to justify it to the vendors you didn't use.  

posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 06:05:40 PM
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skips777 writes:

Are there actual people who describe car garages based on red-haired people who run it? If so, they're troglodytes.

posted on Friday, May 13, 2022 07:50:00 AM

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Trevor Folley
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If you draw a conclusion based on unsound premises (e.g. that ginger haired owned garages do the best job) then your conclusion is unsound not invalid.

I think, however, you are suggesting something else - that the person prefers to use ginger-haired owned garages (reason unspecified but could be prejudice) and wants others to believe the choice was based on competency and not prejudice.

I think this is a disingenuous use of post hoc rationalization.

If the person continued to exclusively use ginger-haired owned garages because they now believed they had reason to conclude that all g-h owned garages will do a good job then they might be using either the fallacy of composition or hasty generalisation.

answered on Friday, Jun 10, 2022 04:27:32 AM by Trevor Folley

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Dr. Richard
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Exactly what is the question?

answered on Thursday, May 12, 2022 09:47:21 AM by Dr. Richard

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skips777 writes:

I'm thinking were you a Mary Anne or Ginger kind of guy, or both. (Think  Gilligan's Island)...lol,

posted on Friday, May 13, 2022 07:38:38 AM
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Dr. Richard writes:
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I never saw the Gilligan's Island show and have no idea what you are referring to.

[ login to reply ] posted on Friday, May 13, 2022 10:15:11 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD
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Perhaps post hoc rationalization . In this context, not really a fallacy but more of a biased way of thinking OR a deliberate lie.

answered on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:14:00 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Yeah, that seems to fit. 

Another example could be a police officer racially profiling someone, then stating after the fact that they were "acting suspiciously" (when really, the perception that they were acting 'suspiciously' is based on prejudice).

posted on Thursday, May 12, 2022 06:09:03 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
[To Rationalissimus of the Elenchus]

Or they were acting "suspiciously" because they were being stared down by armed police officers :)

[ login to reply ] posted on Thursday, May 12, 2022 06:24:13 AM
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Alex Hosking
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I'm not sure what the fallacy name would be, but it it fallacious to assume that a non-ginger person would not be as good as a ginger one.

It's roughly the equivalent of saying "oranges are good, therefore apples are bad".

I'm guessing that would be a non-sequitur (invalid conclusion).

answered on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 04:43:04 PM by Alex Hosking

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Alex Hosking writes:

OK, try and replace Jewish with white, and you're in an area that's not majority white and then state they had good reviews and did a good job, well no one was saying you'd have to pick someone incompetent before you picked them on basis of race.

posted on Saturday, May 14, 2022 07:56:21 AM