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Nadir

What is the falllacy of creating bad circumstances but only blaming the outcome of it (one that works in your favor)?

For example if someone were to insist you buy their car tires that they're vending, but you insist you don't need them because you already have functioning tires for your car.

So after ignoring your arguments and failing to convince you time and again to buy their tires, the person eventually slashes you tires with a sharp weapon or a tool, making them useless.

This eventually forces you to buy their tires, being left with no option.

But after expressing anger at them for having to buy their expensive tires and suffering the financial burden of it and blaming them, they reply "but your tires don't work" essentially, only sticking to the circumstances and not what caused them in an obvious attempt to relieve themselves of any accountability.

Basically leaving out the most important piece of information in the first place- that they slashed your previous tires in the first place.

They keep on repeating the circumstances, as if you don't get it, without admitting to their cause of it.

What fallacy is this? Does anyone know. BTW has anyone faced this in life?

I'm in Pakistan now. It just gives me a happy feeling that I can connect to you folks from just about anywhere in the world.

 

 

asked on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 08:05:10 AM by Nadir

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Mr. Wednesday
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I think the fallacy that best describes the situation as a whole is retrogressive causation . The tire salesman, in an effort to get you to have better tires, goes about it by destroying your tires.

But, in the end section of the scenario, where the tire salesman uses the excuse of "but your tires don't work" to deflect from the fact that he was the one who destroyed them, that would be an example of rationalization .

answered on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 02:08:51 PM by Mr. Wednesday

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AI Fallacy Master
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The fallacy expressed in this scenario could be identified as "Denying the Antecedent," where one essentially argues that the cause is irrelevant because the outcome is true. The vendor is ignoring or denying their initial action (i.e., slashing the tires) which is the real cause of the outcome (i.e., the necessity to buy new tires), and instead, focusing solely on the outcome.

Additionally, it may also involve elements of "Begging the Question" where the conclusion is assumed in one of the premises. In this case, focusing on the slashed tires situation while omitting the information about who caused the situation.

In everyday life, this kind of fallacy can occur when someone tries to deflect blame or avoid responsibility for their actions by maintaining focus on the effect of those actions and avoiding the cause.
answered on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 08:05:26 AM by AI Fallacy Master

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Nadir writes:

Are you really AI?

Your answer is brilliant.

posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 03:19:59 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
[To Nadir]

Yes, that's a bot. It's been around for a while.

Some people love it; others hate it.

[ login to reply ] posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 03:26:59 PM
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Nadir writes:
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I love it

[ login to reply ] posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 04:50:19 PM
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Mchasewalker
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There's no fallacy here. This is extortion.

answered on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 11:50:35 AM by Mchasewalker

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Nadir writes:

Maybe examine his argument- you're tires are flat. He makes the statement without providing the reason in order to deceive, which is indeed fallacy.

What fallacy it is is what the question is.

posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 02:21:17 PM
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Mchasewalker writes:

[To Nadir]

It is NOT a logical fallacy. If the seller attempted to sell him tires by warning him that in spite of their good condition you never know what could happen. Someone might slash them. That could be an ad Baculum fallacy. As it is there’s no deception in reasoning which would qualify it as a logical fallacy.

Dr. Bo's Criteria for Logical Fallacies:

It must be an error in reasoning not a factual error.
It must be commonly applied to an argument either in the form of the argument or in the interpretation of the argument.
It must be deceptive in that it often fools the average adult.

[ login to reply ] posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 04:43:26 PM
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Nadir writes:
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" If the seller attempted to sell him tires by warning him that in spite of their good condition you never know what could happen."

The seller did not warn anything. He just slashed them and then insisted that they need to be replaced because they're flat without admitting he was the one who slashed them in the first place.

Only insisting they need to be replaced but emitting out an important piece of information and ignoring it.

[ login to reply ] posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 05:19:42 PM
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Nadir writes:

Also suppose I never bought the new tires and the salesman still keeps saying "but your tires don't work."

The statement itself is fallacious, even if a penny was never given. The statement is made by exluding relevant information.

posted on Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 02:27:04 PM