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robert temple

What is the reason for taking your position on Abortion?

My father and I were in conversation, when it turned to the dark side for a few minutes.

"Why are you willing to side-step choice and force a woman to carry the child to term?" (me)

"You know, a million fetuses are aborted annually. And if the were born instead..." (him)

"Wait a minute.  That does not answer the question."

"Sure it does.  Abortions in this country reduces the number of taxpayers in the future.  If those  are not born, grow and develop, and pay their taxes, then the government cannot pay its debts."

I do not know what is worse; force a pregnant woman to carry to term or force a person, who was forced to be born, to pay taxes, to a government under which he or she lives." (me)

He was adamant.  What fallacy does he offer?

asked on Sunday, Jan 09, 2022 06:44:02 AM by robert temple

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John Best writes:

The fallacy, it is here:   "Abortions in this country reduces the number of taxpayers in the future.   If those  are not born, grow and develop, and pay their taxes, then the government cannot pay its debts. "   

This statement makes assumptions about the future nature of the economy, including that those born will participated in a productive (taxpaying) way.  So the fallacy rests on a unsubstantiated premise.   

To help the argument persuade (fool?) it also contains a sort of familiarity bias.  It strings together several common occurrences in a familiar sequence 'born-grow-develop-pay taxes'.    This just rings so true in the listeners ear as to be taken for fact.     It's easy to hear, disarming, and inhibits the pursuit of difficult critical thought, which might well lead one to the questions about the basis and nature over time of the  economy, and the related probabilities of the negative or positive aggregate impact of the now-adult unwanted babies.       

 

posted on Monday, Jan 10, 2022 08:27:00 AM
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Rick Barry writes:

[To John Best]

I wonder if this is an Alleged Certainty Fallacy?

Also, Seems like your dad is making an assumption that all or most unwanted babies, if born, will grow up to be tax paying citizens. Unless this claim is backed by some form of scientific census analysis (It's not, that I know of), definitely feels like "Jumping To a Conclusion". A counter assumption could be made that unwanted babies in poorer communities cause additional financial stress on families, not only effecting taxable income but potentially adding additional burden on the social safety net (Welfare, etc).

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"Sure it does.  Abortions in this country reduces the number of taxpayers in the future.  If those  are not born, grow and develop, and pay their taxes, then the government cannot pay its debts." 

No offense to your dad, but this answer is almost comical for several reasons. First, viewing this issue without compassion for either the unborn or the woman - just as a financial transaction. Second, he completely overlooks the fact that abortions also reduce the number of resource consumers. As a non-economist, I can't make a well-supported argument as to why a smaller population is better, but I am quite confident the financial burden of unwanted children is far greater on a country than what they would pay in taxes.

I don't see a fallacy on your dad's part; just a wild opinion. I don't think your dad avoided the question; he did provide a reason (i.e., the tax-payer reason was why he is willing to side-step choice).

answered on Sunday, Jan 09, 2022 06:57:52 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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GoblinCookie
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Appeal to consequences is the only fallacy that he may be appealing to.  The rightness or wrongness of the matter is being decided by it's consequences when these are not morally relevant.

I say may, because it may be that he does really believe the basis of morality is the interests of the State.  In which case it isn't a fallacy to appeal to consequences at all. 

Trouble is that appeal to consequences is more about truth than morality.

answered on Monday, Jan 10, 2022 06:42:35 AM by GoblinCookie

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Arlo
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The anti-abortion argument here seems to be:

P1: Allowing abortions will reduce population

P2: Reduced population will have fewer tax payers

P3: Fewer taxpayers will reduce government income

P4: Reduced government income will mean government cannot pay its debts

P5: Government not being able to ay debts is a bad thing.

C: Therefore, we should not allow abortion.

To me, the logic seems OK, except that perhaps he's cherry picking when it comes to the potential results of allowing abortions – his examples all relate to the benefits of additional people and ignores any problems associated with more people.    

As well, I'm just not sure that I can buy into the truth of all of the premises.

answered on Monday, Jan 10, 2022 12:39:53 PM by Arlo

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