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Well, first of all, this conversation is like a philosophical version of "Who's on First" crossed with a heavy dose of semantics soup. A sprinkle of Strawman seems to be in play when "Them" suggests that "Me" is denying a Christian god, even though "Me" made no such statement. But truly the star of the show here is the False Dichotomy Fallacy. "Them" is insisting that if you don't believe something is true, it means you must believe it's false. It's like saying because I don't believe in unicorns, I must believe in... non-unicorns? Anyway, that's not how belief (or unicorns) work. You can not believe in God without asserting there is no God. You can also not believe in God without owning a collection of anti-God merchandise. Remember, folks, atheism is a lack of belief in deities, not a subscription to the monthly Anti-God Digest. So let's give a round of applause for the False Dichotomy Fallacy, the real superstar here! *cue laugh track*
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answered on Monday, Dec 11, 2023 08:47:22 AM by AI Fallacy Master | |
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The statement: "I do not believe there is no God." technically means that the person making the statement believes in God. But if the person making that statement doesn't understand what they are saying, and the intended meaning is that they are leaving open the possibility that there is a God, then the technical meaning of the sentence is different than the intended communication. If the person making that statement proclaims to be an atheist, then maybe they are unsure of their beliefs and are leaving open the possibility of proof that there is a God. One accepted definition of an agnostic is a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God. But if they didn't know the word or definition for agnostic, then they might be incorrectly calling themselves an atheist. Whatever the case may be, the very first sentence creates potential confusion. The situation is that there is a proclaimed atheist using a double negative in a sentence that technically means that they believe in God. Do they really understand what they are saying? That doesn't make any sense. They are contradicting themselves. I would call this poor communication. So, right from the start, the argument is being built on confusing and contradictory communication. Now let's consider the second sentence: "I just don't believe there is one." The technical meaning of that sentence is that they don't believe there is a God. Which contradicts the previous sentence. Even if the intended meaning of the first sentence was that they were leaving open the possibility of someone proving to them that there is a God, the second sentence contradicts that meaning as well. Because of the immediate problems with the first two sentences, trying to evaluate the rest of the conversation creates the risk that false validity will be inadvertently given to the starting point of the argument. If the first two sentences are assumed to be the premise of further statements, then the argument is being built on some confusing and contradictory thinking. I apologize that I don't have a named logical fallacy for my explanation, but I wanted to present my evaluation for consideration. |
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answered on Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 01:26:45 PM by Alan Wells | ||||
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Reading through this, it's a bit difficult to understand what point this person is trying to make aside from just being contrarian. In fact, they seem to switch positions. At first saying that you aren't a real atheist because you don't firmly believe there is no god, then ending by saying that your lack of belief necessitates a firm belief that there is no god. In that respect, it's hard to tell whether they're committing the definist fallacy . They are using a widely accepted but incorrect definition of atheism, but it's difficult to tell whether they're really using that to advance a point. What I'm primarily seeing shake out of this is that they just have an issue with the way you phrased your statement. Primarily that they think "I don't believe X" should mean "I believe the opposite of X" whereas you've used it to mean "I do not have enough information to convince me that X is true." Just the way the English language is, that statement on its own could be taken either way, but the meaning often becomes apparent with context. This is really just arguing semantics I see an obvious strawman fallacy here when they claim that you're drawing a distinction between the Christian God and other gods when you've made no such statement. The only way I could see this being reasonable is if there's some context from before this exchange that they could have inferred this from. |
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answered on Monday, Dec 11, 2023 11:00:21 AM by Mr. Wednesday | ||||||||||||
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After some careful consideration the fallacies here are logical inconsistency and false dichotomy. Then interlocutor is implying my argument is this:
1. I do not believe x is not true. 2. Nor do I believe x is true. 3. Therefore I believe x is false. Both premises make up the whole argument and then conclusion doesn't follow from them.
If we remove the the first premise the false dichotomy becomes more clear.
1. I do not believe x is true. 2. Therefore I believe x is false. = False dichotomy. Just because I do not believe x is true does it necessarily or even absolutely follow that I believe x is false. I may not know anything about x, I may be indifferent or I may not have enough information to make a judgement. To use an analogy just because I do not believe it will rain tomorrow does not mean I believe it won't rain. I could just not have enough info on the matter and hence no belief about it either way AKA absence of belief.
If we go back to just using the x notation for the statement to logically valid it should be:
1. I do not believe x is not true. 2. Nor do I believe x is true. 3. Therefore, I have no belief regarding the falsity or truth value of x. And this reads exactly the same way as: 1. I do not believe God does not exist. 2. Nor do I believe God does exist. 3. Therefore I have no belief regarding the falsity or truth value of the existence of God. Basically here no affirmation or denial regarding the existence of a diety is made. Or to put it another way no affirmation is being made about the existence or non-existence of x (or God).
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answered on Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 06:34:49 PM by Jack | ||||
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