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>Multi-billion dollar corporation X makes decision Y. Question is: “So What?”
> Person 1 offers criticism against decision Y, finding it has no possible merit and only causes problems. Question : Why is Person 1 concerned unless he is affected directly or indirectly? Question: Why does decision Y have “no possible merit ?” Question: Why does decision Y “only causes problems?”
>Person 2 argues that "there must be at least some good reason why decision Y was made". This is speculation and premature.
> Person 1 asks for reasons, and person 2 states he can only make guesses. These guesses are based off of poor speculation and as such are easily proven wrong. Person 1 is not the participant who should be asking for reasons because Person 1 is the person propounding the proposition. He bears the burden of proof of his initial proposition before the discussion may proceed.
>Person 2 holds on to the belief that decision X must have been done for a good reason, and that person 1 is not an expert and is just being ignorant. The claim that decision Y has no merit is dismissed, saying "you can't really know that for sure" (despite any strong claims or evidence presented). So what? Person 2 is being sucked into an illogical discussion. |
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answered on Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 12:32:57 PM by Dr. Richard | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I think there are 2 fallacies. Person 2 can't believe that a company wouldn't possibly decide something just for profit while completely disregarding any harm to third parties, therefore it doesn't happen. This is argument from incredulity . Person 1 can't think of a good reason for decision Y, therefore no such reason exist. That's argument from ignorance. ("absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"). And to address the aforementioned seal example, if clubbing seals involves exterminating select seals members that are harmful for the rest of the seals, for example sick animals that need to be isolated or killed if can't be treated to protect the rest, then that's a beneficial outcome for the seals in general. Actually, I think I had heard in the past that there was an operation conducted officially by the country's state and that was proposed by environmentalists (I don't remember the country, Australia maybe?) because the overpopulation of some species was endangering the environment due to the rapid depletion of resources caused by the overpopulation. If they didn't act like that then a bunch of species would be affected or endangered, including the overpopulated species itself - I think that can happen especially for introduced species. |
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answered on Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 03:24:17 PM by Kostas Oikonomou | ||||||||
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This conversation contains several logical fallacies and cognitive biases:
1. **Appeal to Authority (Argumentum ad Verecundiam)**: Person 2 insists that there must be a good reason for the decision simply because a multi-billion-dollar corporation made it. This assumes the corporation's authority or expertise without providing actual evidence. 2. **Appeal to Ignorance (Argumentum ad Ignorantiam)**: Person 2 claims that because person 1 can't "really know for sure" that the decision has no merit, it must therefore have some merit. This fallacy incorrectly shifts the burden of proof and suggests that a lack of evidence against something equates to evidence for it. 3. **Ad Hominem**: Person 2 attacks person 1 by questioning their expertise and calling them ignorant, rather than addressing the criticism against decision Y on its own merits. 4. **Circular Reasoning**: Person 2's argument that there must be a good reason for the decision simply because a large corporation made it is circular. It assumes what it is trying to prove without providing new evidence. 5. **Confirmation Bias**: Person 2 holds onto the belief that the decision was made for a good reason despite evidence to the contrary, possibly because it aligns with their preconceived notion that large corporations make sound decisions. 6. **Status Quo Bias**: There is an implied assumption that because the decision was made by a corporation, it is probably justified, reflecting a bias towards existing norms or decisions taken by an "established" authority. 7. **False Equivalence**: The analogy with seal clubbing may create a misleading comparison by equating vastly different scenarios to make a point, which can dilute the validity of the argument. By identifying these fallacies and biases, we can see that the reasoning presented in the conversation is flawed and lacks substantive evidence to support the claims being made. |
answered on Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 12:17:50 PM by AI Fallacy Master | |
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