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What fallacy is this transphobe making?So there is this guy arguing against the legitimacy of Trans people, who's definition of women is
I pointed out that this excludes infertile women and he responds:
What fallacy is he making here? |
asked on Friday, Oct 11, 2024 12:49:11 AM by 87blue | |
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I don't see a fallacy at all, except in your introducing the claimant as a transphobe (ad hominem guilt by association). it may not be politically correct. But as you have laid it out he is basically giving the physiological definition of sex and not gender. Nowadays, there's a controversial attempt to restructure gender identity. So there might be a potential equivocation discrepancy in your dialogue, but no inherent fallacy. |
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answered on Friday, Oct 11, 2024 07:53:33 AM by Mchasewalker | ||||
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Starting with his definition, I see two issues. One, using XX chromosomes as part of the definition. Even if you're discounting trans women, there are intersex conditions that will cause someone is a physiologically a woman to have chromosomes other than XX. The second part, "of the nature to give birth" is committing the ambiguity fallacy . It is pretty unclear exactly what that is supposed to mean, allowing this person to tailor their definition in response to any criticism. So, when they are pressed, they use the phrase "the exception that proves the rule," which is a commonly used phrase, but one that really runs counter to logic. Sure, some rules can be complicated and require caveats. But others are ironclad and would only be weakened by the existence of exceptions. For instance, the law of conservation of energy, or "Tourists at Yellowstone must not try to pet the bison." This person might be committing the overwhelming exception fallacy here. But, if they are trying to create a rigid definition in order to categorize things, but then creating exceptions, the definiton becomes increasingly meaningless and the categorization becomes more subjective. "The fact that a woman goes to the doctor to fix it proves that she is supposed to be fertile" has a couple issues. There may be stereotyping (the fallacy) at play here, as it's implied that all infertile women seek infertility treatment. There are a number of reasons why a woman would not, such as not having access to such care, not realizing that she's infertile, or just not wanting children. Additionally, this person is using the naturalistic fallacy here, by making the claim that women are "supposed to" be fertile. Most women are, but the fact is that nature isn't sentient, doesn't have a plan, and produces a lot of variety and what we might consider imperfections within humans. And, finally, the idea that going to a doctor to fix an issue proves this is just a non sequitur . In the 18th century, a woman may have seen a doctor to fix the issue of her humors being out of balance. Today, a woman might see plastic surgeons because she wants to look like a living Barbie doll. While doctors do rely heavily on science to improve people's quality of life, there have also been time where medical science has reached incorrect conclusions, and when the goals of medical care are driven by things like cultural norms. |
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answered on Friday, Oct 11, 2024 11:15:07 AM by Mr. Wednesday | ||||
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