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eekahil

What is Lauren's Fallacy?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 In response to the shooting in Uvalde Texas. Lauren Boebert Tweets :

@laurenboebert
You cannot legislate away evil.
 
Is this Red Herring?"

asked on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:51:26 AM by eekahil

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Shawn writes:

As you already know, a red herring is a statement or position that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion. In the case of Lauren Boebert, a vocal pro-gun advocate, this is her attempt at generating a distraction from the real issue at hand taking place in America and that any attempts of gun regulation will not solve anything. This issue was touched upon by President Biden when he asked in his recent speech why do these events happen so much In America? 

You may also wish to read this article:
https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-says-boebert-is-acting-like-a-useless-piece-of-furniture-when-babies-are-shot-2022-5

posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 12:07:24 PM

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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I think a better argument can be made for a strawman fallacy . Remember this: arguing over fallacies is often a red herring itself. If there is clearly a reasoning error, one person might assign a named fallacy that may or may not be a good match, and the argument will shift to debating if that fallacy matches or not rather than focusing on the problems with the statement in the first place. This is why I prefer to use the "safest" fallacy that takes very little argument to support.

As far as I am aware, nobody is suggesting that we should "legislate away evil" or that such a thing is even possible. Offering a charitable interpretation of this comment, she is likely suggesting that stricter gun laws won't result in a decrease in mass shootings. Had she said what she meant rather than attempting to offer an emotional soundbite, a more productive and evidence-based discussion could be had on the merits of that claim.

answered on Thursday, May 26, 2022 07:28:57 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Your last point is salient, especially for the times we are in now.

Unfortunately, emotional soundbites of the nature you criticise are exactly what Twitter incentivises. 

posted on Thursday, May 26, 2022 09:39:35 AM
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Mchasewalker
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It's downright hypocritical when you consider the legislating body, the Supreme Court, and the effort of zealous Christian fanatics in political office are indeed engaged in legislating morality. 

So the statement is clearly a deception and a distraction. I can certainly see the case for a red herring fallacy, but begging the question and non sequitur are likely contenders as well. 

Evil is a religious moral concept. The legislature is empowered to create laws for regulating society for the common weal. The claim assumes the function of government is not in the business of legislating morality, but, in fact, the claimant's political rhetoric and claim to fame are doing exactly that.

answered on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 02:34:25 PM by Mchasewalker

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Ed F writes:

Can you clarify “the legislating body, the Supreme Court… is …indeed engaged in legislating morality.”  

Are you saying overturning Roe v Wade would be legislating morality?   In what way?   

posted on Thursday, May 26, 2022 12:22:56 AM
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Dr. Richard
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Whether something is a red herring depends upon the subject under discussion. The red herring fallacy is a deliberate diversion of attention to abandon the original argument. From the amount of information you provide here, one must guess exactly what the underlying subject is. As a naked statement, "You cannot legislate away evil" might be the proposition under discussion, in which case the concept of evil and how to deal with it is not a diversion but the focus. 

answered on Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:23:39 AM by Dr. Richard

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Trevor Folley
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This is a red herring in that it answers the question, "Can you legislate away evil?".

A more pertinent question is, "Can legislation diminish the probability that evil intentions will lead to suffering?"

I would be far more interested in her answer to this question.

answered on Saturday, May 28, 2022 11:06:30 AM by Trevor Folley

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