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87blue

Is this article conflating Gender Norms with Sexual Norms?

"Public Library Deletes Pictures Of Drag Queens Fondling Children At Story Hour"

Off course they only show children hugging and laying on drag queens with the later not putting their hands on children, but that isn't the important part:


“Most parents want their children to become kind, empathetic self-confident adults, and exposure to diversity is an important part of that social and emotional development,” Amer said. “And gender non-conforming kids, and trans kids, and kids with trans and non-binary and queer parents are everywhere.”
Couched in the language of diversity, empathy, and kindness, which parents typically get behind, is how ideologues manipulate parental compassion because they see children as full participants in concepts of adult sexuality. If parents don’t get on board, they imply, then parents are doing their children a disservice. This is how ideas that feminists had been fighting to do away with come back in full force.

 

But this assumes that heterosexuality isn't "adult". This assumes that "not-normal" ie. "non-heterosexuality" is "adult"

 

Makeup tutorials, photos of kids laying atop grown men who are wearing sexualized female costumes, and encouraging gender fluidity gives truth to the lie that drag story hour isn’t about sexuality or sexualizing children. Children are drawn to sparkles and glitter, and using those things to make sexuality seem like mere play is nothing more than grooming kids to be sexual objects, not participants.

But that doesn’t make these ideas correct. That’s why the Multnomah County Library took down their photos. Children laying on the floor with adult men dressed up in sexually provocative and fetish clothing looks like what it is: grooming kids for participation in adult sexual life.

Besides, this standard is never equally applied in this context. The moms who are speaking up around the country against drag story hour and the sexualizing of children in a queer context are being shouted down by men in dresses and librarians, and being told that sexuality is about rainbows and unicorns, not about real bodies, emotions, and responsibility. Moms know better, and they know how to use their words.

Sexuality is about sex. Children’s sexuality isn’t about makeup tutorials, and their bodies are not inclusive. Children need to know not about sexuality first, but about sex first, their rights, their privacy, and their responsibility to protect themselves from predators. That’s why the library took down the photos: men in dresses cavorting intimately with children is very obviously pedophilia in action, and it’s a horror that it’s being presented as education.
 

This assumes that the costumes in most drag queen story hour events is "fetishized" when that isn't the case most of the time. How many of this pics count as sexual? Again this assumes that "gender-noncomformity=adult sex". 

 

It is an unhealthy view that sexuality is all about sexual activity, and not who you are attracted to. That is conflation/equivocation I think.

asked on Monday, Jun 12, 2023 12:47:59 AM by 87blue

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Adelle writes:

Exposing children to sexualized clothing by adults is unethical because it contributes to the normalization of a sexual type of clothing associated with specific adult activities. This can lead to the objectification of children, premature exposure to adult themes, inappropriate behavior, loss of innocence, potential harm, and the erosion of societal values and norms.

Sexualized clothing: This type of clothing designed for adults often focuses on emphasizing or revealing sexual attributes or themes. Exposing children to such clothing can contribute to their objectification and the perception that their worth is determined by their sexual appeal. This can undermine their self-esteem and promote harmful attitudes about their bodies and relationships.


Premature exposure to adult themes: Children have a natural developmental process, and their cognitive and emotional abilities are still developing. Introducing them to adult-oriented clothing prematurely can expose them to concepts and themes that they are not emotionally or mentally prepared to understand fully. It can lead to confusion, anxiety, and even premature sexualization.


Encouraging inappropriate behavior: When adults wear sexualized clothing in the presence of children, it can send mixed messages about appropriate behavior and boundaries. It may normalize the objectification of individuals based on their appearance, which can impact children's understanding of healthy relationships and consent.


Loss of innocence: Children deserve a period of innocence where they can explore the world around them without being burdened by adult concerns. Exposing them to sexualized clothing prematurely robs them of this crucial phase of development and can have long-term consequences on their mental well-being.


Protection against harm: Children are vulnerable and depend on adults for their care and protection. By exposing children to sexualized clothing, adults may inadvertently expose them to potential harm or attract unwanted attention from individuals with malicious intent.


Upholding societal values and norms: Society sets certain boundaries and standards to protect children and maintain ethical standards. Exposing children to sexualized clothing disregards these norms and can contribute to the erosion of appropriate boundaries between childhood and adulthood.


It is essential for adults to consider the potential consequences of their actions on children and act responsibly to safeguard their well-being, emotional development, and healthy understanding of sexuality.

posted on Monday, Jun 12, 2023 06:19:14 AM
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FormerRedditor writes:
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Exposing children to sexualized clothing by adults is unethical because it contributes to the normalization of a sexual type of clothing associated with specific adult activities

If you're going to post to a forum where people discuss logical fallacies, maybe don't use circular reasoning in the first sentence.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jun 12, 2023 06:11:41 PM
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87blue writes:
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This was about gender nonconformity in general. She is conflating that with "adult"

[ login to reply ] posted on Wednesday, Jun 14, 2023 02:32:42 AM

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To answer your question: In my opinion, yes, that is what the author is doing.

To break it down a bit more, it appears that the article puts forth a lot of arguments to support that conclusion, and I see a lot of unsupported claims in there. The one blatant example of false equivalence I see in there is the bit comparing drag queens interacting with children to pedophilia. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to children by an adult, but there's no real indication that that's occurring here. If that same photo was a guy in a T shirt and jeans, and the kids were his own or younger relatives (or, for that matter, a woman with any kids), it would be viewed as pretty normal.

answered on Tuesday, Jun 13, 2023 09:00:56 AM by FormerRedditor

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