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Mr. Rho

A Logical Fallacy or a Literary Device

In Bo's book, "Everybody knows that, without our culture's religion, we all would be like lost sheep." is an example of alleged certainty. Everyone does not know that. I get it. But how about when "everybody knows" is used as a literary device? Not sure if it qualifies as a hyperbole, but the expression can be used for a literary effect as in Leonard Cohen's song, "Everybody Knows". In this case, should I think of it as a logical fallacy or just as a literary device?

Here's an excerpt from Everybody Knows by Leonard Cohen:

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

asked on Saturday, Feb 04, 2023 09:10:11 AM by Mr. Rho

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TrappedPrior (RotE)
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Since it is being used as a literary device, the implicature is that no argument is being made - it's just creative writing. No argument means no fallacy.

 

answered on Saturday, Feb 04, 2023 10:15:25 AM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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Mr. Rho writes:

Thanks for the answer. No argument, no fallacies. That's what I was thinking, too. I understand that nobody will say that Leonard Cohen is committing a logical fallacy when they hear his song. (Oops, is 'nobody will say' another example of alleged certainty?) Just wanted to be sure.

posted on Saturday, Feb 04, 2023 12:08:28 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

I wouldn't say there's a fallacy on your part ;)

posted on Saturday, Feb 04, 2023 04:49:11 PM
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Erkan
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When the phrase "everybody knows' is used as a literary device, it should not be considered a fallacy. In the case of Leonard's song, "Everybody knows" the phrase is used to emphasize a widespread belief or understanding about societal issues and convey a sense of resignation or acceptance of the status quo. As a literary device, it serves a specific purpose and should not be evaluated as a factual claim

answered on Sunday, Feb 05, 2023 06:13:32 AM by Erkan

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Mr. Rho writes:

Thanks for your comment. That was all clear. Strangely though, the difference between a factual claim and a literary device has led me to see where my initial doubt came from. Of course, I knew Cohen was not making factual claims. Of course, I'm not suspecting that Cohen is committing the fallacy of alleged certainty just because his lines start with 'Everybody knows.' However, what about the case of the writers or artists with more stronger political persuasion (Pete Seeger comes to mind though I'm not sure if he's the best example)? Doesn't the line between a literary device and a politically-charged argument sometimes blur? It may be said that a lot of what those writers/singers express are literary devices as they are artists, but what if they are used to make a point and persuade people into action? Of course, we could take this further and ask, "Is there such a thing as pure art? Isn't art always 'political' in some way? Isn't an art a 'statement' about how the world is and should be?" Can we even categorize Cohen and Seeger differently? For one thing, I know Cohen was as 'political' as anybody in his own way. This reminds me of the 'paradox of the heap.' So, I guess I'm still wandering in the land of fallacies.

posted on Sunday, Feb 05, 2023 07:40:49 AM
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Erkan writes:
[To Mr. Rho]

It is true that it can be blurred. In regards to Pete Seeger and Leonard Cohen, both were politically active and their art often reflected their political beliefs. While some may categorize their art as pure entertainment, others may see it as a form of political activism.  Ultimately, it will depend on one's perspective and interpretation. 

[ login to reply ] posted on Sunday, Feb 05, 2023 07:57:28 AM