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alex

Is this ad hoc reasoning?

Had a weird argument that was very redundant a few weeks ago over Russians poor military Performance. This is a little long.. 

The person told me no way Ukraine can survive for a few weeks. I told them oynx has been reporting the Russian losses independently and it’s been disastrous for Russia. Then the person said Putin won’t care he will keep sending. I said he can but if he’s achieving nothing and suffering devastating losses eventually you run out tanks and vehicles. And this is where the trend starts theirs always a speculative ad hoc. The next one was “well Russia will just bomb the cities nothing the Ukrainians can do.” I said it’s far too expensive in Syria they used cheap barrel bombs.  They can kill civilians but if your not taking territory or land it seems pointless to spend all that money on indiscriminate bombing where civilians can just shelter in place. And then again and again “Putin will use nukes” of “Putin will just conscript millions of Russians” all highly unlikely. It was like just ignore all the aviable evidence we have and make wild hypotheticals as why “Ukraine can’t win”. Any thoughts on this it’s almost like a whataboutism but instead of the traditional sense it’s more like yeah but what if this happens? And then over and over and over again. 

asked on Tuesday, Apr 19, 2022 08:21:39 PM by alex

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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:

I am having difficulty finding an argument in here. I see opinions. What is your argument?

posted on Wednesday, Apr 20, 2022 05:32:29 AM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Seconding Dr Bo's comments. This looks like a wall of speculation coming from both parties. 

OP - where do  you  think the fallacy is, and why?

posted on Wednesday, Apr 20, 2022 09:52:36 AM

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Does this situation have elements that are ad hoc?  I think so ... each time the argument of the first individual is countered, the first individual comes up with a new explanation or rationale to dismiss what was presented as evidence against the initial claim.  It's ad hoc in that the basis of the new explanation (or even the need for it) isn't obvious until a counter claim is presented.

Is this an example of a logical fallacy?  A purist would say that to be a logical fallacy, there'd have to be an argument.  Like others, I don't see one here.  The first person makes some claims that seem based on opinion .. "Ukraine can't survive", "run out of tanks", "killing civilians without taking land is pointless", etc.

If there were an argument presented, it could qualify as ad hoc rescue – a substitute for an actual and proper argument in which one presents a series of new explanations (not necessarily justified or reasonable ones) in an attempt to support the original belief or opinion.

 

answered on Wednesday, Apr 20, 2022 10:20:32 AM by Arlo

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