"The pink banana phenomenon". What do you guys make of this?

What’s interesting is that many on both sides of the aisle are guilty of the same confirmation bias.  You refer to the Trump zealots, which is fine, but as Bill Maher has lately pointed out, only one way of thinking is allowed on the left.  
If there’s accusations against Biden, they’re dismissed as coming from MAGA Republicans.  If there’s accusations against Trump, they’re assumed true whether or not there’s evidence. 

[To Darren]

No offence to anyone. I just used Trump as an example for this bc he seems to display this exact pink banana phenomenon. With other politicians, left or right when they lie you get the sense they know they are lying, they might even admit guilt or apologize etc. But with Trump, you get the sense that he actually believes it when it benefits him, and that he actually disbelieves it and calls it fake when it doesn't, regardless of the facts, regardless if it's True or not, it doesn't seem to matter. Plus everyone knows who he is. 

Even the mainstream media has covered Biden’s propensity to lie and make things up, which has gotten only worse lately.  He always acts like he believes what he’s saying.   

[To Darren]

I think Jason was understating a bit.

I've seen factcheckers catch Biden saying things that are untrue on a lot of occasions, and he usually seems to believe it and not offer a retraction. However, the ones I usually see, the truth isn't terribly far from what he said. Like, when he said he went to the World Trade Center site the day after 9/11 when it was actually 9 days, he still went there in a relatively short amount of time. The other thing is that he's less likely to harp on things. When he gets caught, he tends to just let it go. Trump, when he's caught saying something untrue, will say that the fact checkers are wrong, that the media is treating him unfairly, and just repeat the same type of thing over and over again, although sometimes changing the nuts and bolts of it to better match public perception. And, particularly when it comes to issues over elections or legal battles he's been in, his claims will often be pulled out of thin air, or the exact opposite of the truth.

[To Mr. Wednesday]

I also feel like when Biden lies, its because someone in his administration, advisors or someone close to him told it to him and he believed them due to the appeal to authority fallacy. Maybe he doesn't do research, who knows. But I feel like Trump makes a lot of what he says up based on what personally benefits him, and then he believes it to be true just based on the fact that it benefits him.  A lot like my friend with the pink banana. 

I also feel like Bidens mind has aged and I think a lot of the times he's confused and can't remember things accuratly anymore. 

B.S. You have previously said in this forum you are a communist. Now you claim you intended no offence to anyone. B.S. 

[To Dr. Richard]

Dr. Richard..... I know for a fact that I have never said I am a communist. You know how I know this, I know this because I have never been a communist in my entire life. Why make up lies about me, I have been nothing but neutral and respectful here, yet I get cursed at,  poisoning the well and scapegoating here and have lies made up about me and for what? 

Also, a communist could say he intends to offend no one and the intention be true. Just because someone is a communist, or capitalist (or insert any label here) doesn't mean they are always being dishonest 100%% of the time. Kind of a irrational claim to make thats obviously based on a extreme bias or prejudice. 

I don't remember seeing you claim to be a communist. But even if you were, it doesn't seem particularly relevant to logical fallacies.

Yes, Ive never said I was communist bc I've never been a communist. Exactly, it's totally irrelevant. I just think they are trying to poison my well and scapegoat me for some reason. 

I have a note in my file that says you say you are a Marxist. Is my note wrong? I suppose there is a way to search this form to find out.

My error. In my notes, I saw your name, but mistakenly read the note of a different person. My apology. 

I'd be interested to know if he was just willing to call the banana pink in order to forward the cause and if somehow the authority "got rid" of all the immigrants would he revert back to calling the banana yellow or would he still call it pink e.g. "Wow, that guy gets stuff done! If he wants me to call the banana pink then it's pink."

This is why I asked him if he thinks he's lying, or is the banaba really pink? But I can clarify it more to see what he says. Then I'll get back to you here about it.

[To Jonathan Thomas]

He said "I will only call the banana pink when I get rid of the immigrants." He said, "its whatever color that helps him get rid of the immigrants."

This is true. However, I think you're using it to be a mild form of deflection.

"he wants the banana to be pink for its desired outcome, therefore it is"

I think that this could also qualify as a non sequitur as well since the premise does not follow from the conclusion. 

P1: If I say the yellow banana is pink, then illegal immigrants wont come into my country anymore. 

P2: I don't want illegal immigrants in my country. 

C: Therefore, the banana is pink, not yellow. 

The logic just doesn't follow. 

"If you believe it then it is true" is a postmodernist's sentiment and the basis for all their identity politics. 

Trump? He is just a man tired of leftisy hate and ruin who decided to stand up and attempt to right the wrongs 

[To Ray McMullen]

I did not make this scenario up, it was my friend who answered with "if you believe it then it's true", not me. And my friend I can guarantee has never even heard of the phrase postmodernism. My friend is a lifelong conservative Republican. 

If you dislike hate, and like Trump then that seems like a double standard or special pleading to me. Notice how I am still not being political here, only pointing out logical fallacies in the structure of the arguments which has nothing to do with the content. 

He said "I will only call the banana pink when I get rid of the immigrants." He said, "its whatever color that helps him get rid of the immigrants."

I have taken no stance on any subject here, why make that up? I did not choose the topic of illegal immigration bc I'm a socialist or whatever it is you think (btw immigration is not socialism or communism). The topic is about how someone could say a yellow banana is pink. I chose the content of illegal immigration only because it was my friends main issue. I had to choose a strong bias of his in order for it to work, so I chose the most important issue to my friend. That's how it came about. No one is pushing any ideology here, we are only interested in the type of bias / psychological phenomenon that's happening here that causes someone to say a yellow banana is not yellow. Is that which interests me, not anything political. Dont focus on the content, only the structure of the logic here. 

Immigration is socialist when socialists use it to orchestrate an invasion. Claim what you like, I stand by my reply. Gaslight away.

[To Ray McMullen]

Going back through history, when have "socialists used immigration as an invasion?" When has any immigration been an "invasion?" I doesn't seem to fit the definition of "invasion", which would make it a definist fallacy. If it's an invasion then it's not immigration, its a foreign army invading a country with weapons of war to take it over at the orders of a general or leader of some other nation. This is how "invasion" is defined as "Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." So, immigration is not socialism. 

The only place I have heard this claim before is when Trump just made it up. Which goes back to this pink banana phenomenon that I am talking about. You sir are willing to say that immigration is an invasion bc a leader with power told you if you say and believe it then he can get rid of the immigration. In a sense, you are metaphorically calling the yellow banana pink as well.  

If I have gaslit in anyway, then please copy and paste to this thread my own words where I gaslit. If you can't do that, then I did not gaslight and instead perhaps its you whos gaslighting me. For example, you said, "you take a stand against illegal immigration." When I in fact did not take a stance. If I did then please copy and past where I took a stance here. You also said im, "a socialist pushing anti west criminality", if that's true then please copy and paste here where I did that. If you can't then you gaslit me here. Which is psychological projection on your part. 

Don't bother. He's probably plugging his ears.