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Shawn

What’s the fallacy in this argument?

When I was a little girl my grandpa took my out shooting in his backyard. I used to hit food cans with BB guns. He was obviously the person Barrack Obama had in mind when he famously and derisively mocked gun owners and other rural people as clingers. The elitist Harvard trained community organizer acted like he was on a safari observing small town folks!

asked on Saturday, Mar 12, 2022 04:49:30 PM by Shawn

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Shawn writes:

Sounds like a slippery slope argument to me. 

posted on Saturday, Mar 12, 2022 04:52:32 PM
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Shawn writes:

Thank you! Is their another fallacy I am missing though? It seems she describes Obama as an elitist and going to Harvard while talking down on small town folks and ruining her nostalgia?

posted on Sunday, Mar 13, 2022 08:23:35 AM

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Shawn
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I can't see that it is an argument at all. Grandpa is merely expressing his opinion (even if it is wrapped in an obvious ad hominem (guilt by association).

answered on Saturday, Mar 12, 2022 04:54:55 PM by Shawn

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Kostas Oikonomou
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The "He was obviously the person Barrack Obama had in mind..." part is amazing familiarity fallacy (nobody can "obviously" know what another one has in his mind).  Also, the use of the word "obviously" is alleged certainty.

The "gun owners" which became "gun owners and other rural people" which is said to include "the little girl with her grandpa and the BB gun" is an obvious strawman fallacy (I don't think Obama meant BB gun owners as "gun owners" or "other rural people" as clingers). 

Using the fond memory of a little girl with her grandparent shooting food cans (which as an act is a pretty innocent usage of BB guns) to divert from not-so-innocent use of real guns is both a cherry picking and appeal to emotion because it is implied that Barrack Obama ultimately what he tried to do is mock a little girl and her grandparent for living happily and creating memories, so the part that is implied is "who would support such a horrible person?",

Which leads to the final part the "elitist Harvard trained community organiser" which is argument by emotive language (the use of "elitist" has generally a negative conotation, as well as the word "safari"). The juxtaposition of "Harvard trained" vs the "small town folks" is the Juxtaposition Fallacy implying that they are on a "safari" BECAUSE they are Harvard trained against the others who are simple, uneducated people. Which is also a genetic fallacy since the truth of the argument about gun ownership depends on whether the person making it is an elitist Harvard trained community organizer or not.

And since this is a response to Obama's opinion without attacking the actual argument but instead attacking Obama for being a "Harvard trained community organizer" it's an ad hominem (guilt by association).

answered on Sunday, Mar 13, 2022 11:38:11 AM by Kostas Oikonomou

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Thank you for putting it that way you put it PERFECTLY. I understand fallacies in arguments but I can’t put my finger on what kind of fallacy it is since their are so many different kinds of fallacies. 

posted on Sunday, Mar 13, 2022 12:57:37 PM
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Kostas Oikonomou writes:
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Thank you for posting the question! It was indeed one of the most devious and disingenuous arguments I've read. Actually I'm always impressed by the ability of some peole to distort arguments but this one breaks all records :)

[ login to reply ] posted on Sunday, Mar 13, 2022 01:11:17 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
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One argument can have multiple fallacies, formal and informal. It all depends on how you parse it :)

[ login to reply ] posted on Sunday, Mar 13, 2022 05:05:51 PM
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Mchasewalker
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It's basically a Strawman/selective argument that distorts the anecdotal tale of a young girl whose Grandfather taught her to shoot BB guns in the backyard but then distorts it (non sequitur) to a remark Obama made about an American class of voters who cleave to their guns and god. It then, (again, non-sequitur) assigns this to the comments of a presidential candidate in order to 'poison the well'. 

it's blatant political rhetoric and deceptive, but on the level of propaganda and not logical fallacy.

 

answered on Saturday, Mar 12, 2022 09:09:14 PM by Mchasewalker

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What about her trying to appeal to her audience about nostalgia and making it seem like Obama’s comments are sort of trying to get rid of what was once good or innocent? For example she says she was a little girl who grew up and her grandfather showed her how to shoot a BB gun. Now she’s saying that her innocent grandfather who just taught her how to shoot a BB gun is just a ‘’ clinger’’ according to some ‘’African American Harvard elitist’’ is their some fallacy about appealing to fears of an intellectual?

posted on Sunday, Mar 13, 2022 08:41:25 AM