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TrappedPrior (RotE)

so what? they all do that!

in a discussion about the many lies of donald trump, one fallacious arguement that always comes up is "all politicians lie", and i want to know which logical fallacy this most closely resembles

asked on Wednesday, Aug 04, 2021 01:31:39 PM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

I can't identify a fallacy, because I can't identify an argument.

Is the hypothetical person saying, "it's okay for Trump to lie because all politicians lie?" That would be a non sequitur as a lie is immoral regardless of who tells it or how many people tell - therefore, even if 'all politicians lie', it would not be right for Trump to knowingly mislead people with his own statements.

posted on Wednesday, Aug 04, 2021 02:06:04 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

they never go so far as to say its ok for him to lie, its more like a "it is what it is" and "hes not the only one" kind of scenario

 

posted on Wednesday, Aug 04, 2021 02:33:38 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
[To trevor]

"It is what it is" would just be a thought-terminating cliché.

"He's not the only one" is a red herring - in a discussion on X's negative behaviour, pointing to Y's failures - or alleged failures - is misdirection in debate.

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Dr. Richard
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When something starts off with a biased assumed major premise, such as "in a discussion about the many lies of donald trump," it is clear to me the entire discussion is not to inquire as to the truth and not worth any more time.

answered on Thursday, Aug 05, 2021 06:47:08 AM by Dr. Richard

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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This resembles Whataboutism . Not a fallacy exactly, but more of a rhetorical strategy.

answered on Wednesday, Aug 04, 2021 02:31:36 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Mchasewalker
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It's a variant ad hominem (guilt by association). "All politicians lie." and potentially a tu quoque whataboutism.  

answered on Wednesday, Aug 04, 2021 02:25:34 PM by Mchasewalker

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Jason Mathias
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This could be a Tu QuoQue Fallacy. 
answered on Sunday, Aug 15, 2021 09:42:27 PM by Jason Mathias

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